Ugh...sorry for that auto incorrect apostrophe in your name.

Sounds, Forrest, like Trump wants illegals to live in the Sanctuary cities that wish them to be here. I think, Forrest, if you want illegals here, they can live at your house, since that decision would directly impact you, and then you get to live with the consequences.

Did you re-learn the definition of socialism yet?

kids do get fevers from the vaccinations, that is expected.
My own kid had a seizure when his temp spiked over 104 after getting his shots. Seizures and high temps can cause brain damage.

JP,

"Relearn?"

Have you got a new definition other than governmental ownership of any means of production?

Are you so anti-socialist that you would sell off the army and its production of police powers to private or corporate interests? What else would you sell? National Parks? The Interstate Highways? State and Federal prisons?

Tell me that all socialism is an evil and I'll be happy to discuss that proposition with you.

Harry

Does the government manufacture tanks now? That's new.

You're kinda retarded. Government having people work for them, police, military, etc, is not the same as government owning means of production. You just cant spin it.

I thought it might behoove readers to have a chance to view family doctors in a positive light, instead of merely as crooks salivating over the money they make by recommending vaccines to their patients and their children. Here is the entire article a the following website:

https://shotofprevention.com/2014/10/22/are-doctors-vaccine-recommendations-motivated-by-profits/

The Article:

Are Doctors’ Vaccine Recommendations Motivated By Profits?
Oct 22, 2014
Dr Zibners: This guest post has been written by Dr. Lara Zibners, in response to comments we’ve received on our Vaccinate Your Baby Facebook page.
“How can I trust the vaccine recommendations that I get from my doctor? After all, isn’t she the one making money off all of these shots?”

"Have you ever heard this concern or something like it? How many parents do you know who are leery of a doctor’s vaccine recommendations because they think the doctor is simply motivated by profits?"

"The idea that pediatricians are colluding in some giant immunization scam that is designed to fund their fancy vacation homes and expensive watches is a concern for some. But could it be true? Does your pediatrician look at your child, pinch those pudgy thighs and inject vaccines against life-threatening illnesses while dreaming of a new car? It’s a pretty disgusting thought, isn’t it? The idea that your child’s doctor could have a financial incentive to encourage vaccination is an upsetting one. One that would understandably get your panties in a twist, right?"

"Well, my friends, relax. You can unwind your knickers because it’s simply not true."

"Now, let me start by telling you that this is not a discussion of physician salaries as a whole. (Although I will point out that pediatricians are the 2nd lowest ranking physicians by salary in the United States.) Or whether they deserve a salary that averages in the low six figures. (Even though that’s after the usual investment of 40,000 hours of training and $300,000 in expenses). We’re not going into those topics today but instead we’re going to focus on one specific question: do pediatricians make money from immunizations?"

"And the answer is “No.” Despite what some people think, vaccines aren’t the cash cow everyone seems to think they are."

"It’s estimated that it takes 35 office visits and costs around $2500 to fully vaccinate a child through age 18. But providing immunizations goes beyond just providing the vaccine. There are plenty of additional costs. These include direct costs such as vaccine purchase, storage, staff time to handle, oversee and administer the vaccine, as well as indirect costs such as insurance against vaccine loss."

"And pediatric offices delivery the majority of immunizations. Eighty percent in fact. It’s a huge part of well-child and preventative care. Which makes them a daily topic in any pediatric practice. But what many people don’t realize is that vaccines are the second highest expense for a pediatric practice after employees. As in doctors, nurses, receptionists and that poor lady who has to deal with the insurance companies. Think about that."

"But why are vaccines such a large expense for the pediatrician? Well, vaccines vary in cost (in one study between $4 and $30 per dose) and that figure can vary depending on the circumstances. For instance, how complicated is it to produce a vaccine? How many years of research went into the vaccine? How much did it cost to develop? And how much money was spent on the various stages of clinical trials before the vaccine receives FDA approval for use? Because, yes people. It’s true. Pharmaceutical companies spend years developing and testing the vaccines they produce to ensure they are as safe and efficacious as possible. Not to mention there is a large investment that goes into the development of a new vaccine without any assurance that the vaccine will be ultimately approved or even recommended. And as much as I’m sure companies would like to create and distribute vaccines for free because they know they save lives, they also have to cover their costs at the end of the day. That’s just life. And if a pediatrician wants to offer immunizations, she has to do her part too and buy them. Before she can give them. Cash up front."

"So the money comes out upfront. And the vaccines are stored and inventoried and insured. And then you walk through the door with little Tommy, braced for his scheduled injections. You pass your insurance card through the little window and that’s it. Your doctor’s back in the black, right? Well, not exactly. Practices are reimbursed for the costs of the vaccines (and associated expenses) either through private insurance or through public insurance (think Medicaid or CHIP). But the insurance company has to be billed. Then someone has to process the claim. Cut the check. Put it in the mail. And so on. There is a real delay between purchasing vaccines and the insurance reimbursement for the delivery of the vaccine. While your doctor is still out-of-pocket."

"Image courtesy of the Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes"
Image courtesy of the “Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes” Facebook page.

"So the payment finally arrives. But wait. The reimbursement often doesn’t cover the full cost of the vaccine, let alone the total cost of delivering that vaccine. The average reimbursement by public insurance is less than $10 and for private insurance, it’s only a bit higher. Maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of $17."

"To sum it up, even when an office is paid for delivery of an immunization, nearly half of reimbursements don’t cover the cost to the practice. And if the vaccine reimbursement doesn’t pay for the vaccine itself, it certainly doesn’t cover ultimate cost to the pediatrician, let alone for the receptionist, the nurse, the computerized charting system, Highlights magazine (remember that?!), sterilizing systems for the toys, or food for the tropical fish tank that keeps your kids from going bananas while waiting to be seen. Vaccines are not the pediatrician’s cash cow. Hopefully you’re beginning to understand that now."

"So why do general pediatricians continue to give vaccines? For those of us who have dedicated our lives to ensuring the health and safety of children, it’s not about the money. It’s the genuine belief that immunizations are one of the most important ways to protect individual patients and society as a whole. It’s an undisputed fact that giving vaccines is a financial disincentive for pediatricians. Nearly 10% of pediatricians have seriously considered no longer providing vaccines because of the economic strain involved. Which is scary. If your child’s doctor doesn’t give immunizations, it’s going to be quite a bit more difficult and inconvenient for you to get your little one vaccinated, isn’t it?"

Image courtesy of the "Stop the Anti-Science Movement" Facebook page.
Image courtesy of the “Stop the Anti-Science Movement” Facebook page.

"As for me, I’m not even a general pediatrician. I am an ER pediatrician. Which means I’m paid a salary. If one cute 3 year-old patient with a Lego in his nose shows up between 7am and lunchtime, I’m paid the exact same as I would be if an outbreak of measles brings the patient volume to a level fondly known as “heaving,” without a room to spare and a line stretching out the front door. Of course, I’m not the only pediatrician who is paid this way. Many doctors who work in hospitals or clinics are also salaried employees. Far fewer physicians are in private practice now than in the past. And like me, they’re paid exactly the same whether we order a vaccine or not."

"In my current position I don’t give routine vaccines. I give emergency room vaccines. Like a tetanus booster to a child who has a nasty wound. A little one who was sleeping in a room where a bat was found will get rabies prevention. Occasionally, I’ll give a dose of varicella vaccine to a kid who is just shy of her 1 year well-visit, who has a sister with leukemia, and has been exposed to chicken pox. But when I do administer vaccines it’s the hospital that purchases the supply, bills the insurance, and recovers the money (if there is anyone to bill). I don’t get paid one tiny little extra penny more."

"But I assure you I still care if a kid is up-to-date on their vaccines. Because in my line of work, it’s the baby battling whooping cough, who turns blue and stops breathing, that make me so passionate about vaccines. Or the encephalopathic kid with measles that is having seizures and needs a ventilator to breathe. It’s the vicious stink of Rotavirus that creeps down the halls. Or the child with group A streptococcal sepsis secondary to chicken pox who needs blood pressure support and an ICU bed."

"But please, rest assured, it’s most definitely not the money."

"Dr. Lara Zibners is board certified in both general pediatrics and pediatric emergency medicine. As the author of the award-winning book “If Your Kid Eats This Book, Everything Will Still Be Okay,” and a hilarious blog, Dr. Zibners has been an avid and very public supporter of vaccination."

(my comment)

Of course if you suffer from cognizant Dissonance you will not for a second entertain the fact that the above article might be true.You will absolutely refuse to accept that idea, since it clashes with your thoroughly entrenched anti-vaccine convictions, and your anti-doctors who dispense vaccines convictions psyche. If you don't want to be a "sheeple," then stick to your own anti-vaccine convictions and will not for a minute doubt that your own beliefs are true--after all who would ever believe (when presented with objective evidence) that doctors are not out to make a buck?--better keep your minds honed like lasers on the fact that you won't even consider such tripe! Your not like those "sheeple"who are afraid to part with their preconceptions!

Well as long as ISD 709 can stay competitive by keeping its teachers well fed, I'm sure it will all work out in the end. I'm sure every day before their big pay raise, they were thinking about working in Superior or Edison, or *gasp* moving out of Duluth. Is it a requirement that these teachers live in the district they serve? How many of the wise ones life in cul-de-sacs in Hermantown so they don't have to pay Duluth taxes?

ERM, it's not a black and white situation. The idea is that perhaps kids don't need all these vaccines forced on them within a small time period. If there was a vaccine for the common cold that was 10 percent effective, would you recommend that it be added to the list of vaccines children take?

I believe in your work. It's a wise person to speak out against mainstream big pharma. Money always wins.
My son changed after his baby shots. I never got the rest of my kids vaxed, ever. My son became schizophrenic at 18.
Still, I can never speak of this to Vaxers, I am fought against every time. Keep up the good work Gary Kohls.

JP Have you ever heard of "privateers?" As for the production of tanks the US all but forbade companies from making consumer goods in preference to bombers and tanks during WW II. Not quite government ownership of the means of production but damned close.

As for services aren't you aware how Secretary of Ed DeVos wants private companies to take over public education and how much of a dent in government run prisons the GOP has caused by setting up privately run prisons?

"Retard?" Why not go full-on Anne Coulter on me and call me a libtard? Are you so frustrated at having a serious conversation with someone who sees things with different eyes that you have to resort to name calling? I'm disappointed.

Remember this, your failure to let the public know who you are suggests a lack of confidence in your public display of certitude. I own my pubic commentary.

Helia Winquist was my godmother.

You're blind. Are those manufacturing facilities government owned or privately owned? Are government employees building the tanks at facilities owned by the government (public)? That is socialism. You don't understand what socialism is. Public education is BROKEN Harry, because of their goal of equality of outcome, which is a socialist/post modern value.

Planned vs Command economy. Let me know when you catch up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_economy#Planned_versus_command_economies

JP,

Apologize for calling me retarded and I'll reply.

BTW - like you, I only look at these old Reader pages once or twice a week to see if anyone has responded. But I'll check back on this one to see if you have a little humility to make up for your anonymity.

I am sorry for calling you retarded. You're clearly not retarded.

Thanks for the great write up... you guys in Duluth get it!

Thanks JP

It's clear you aren't either. It's my night to watch all the Friday night PBS news programming with my sweetie so l'll get back to you tomorrow on economics. I appreciate your use of Wikipedia as a reference.

All the best Harry

HPH absolutely puts in a fantastic live show. You should come check them out on June 8th!!!